krishmunn
08-12 12:11 PM
Not true. Whatever they can outsource, its already gone. There are certain position where the clients demand onsite resource. I am not supporting this bill in anyway, I hate infy as much as I hate this bill.
I agree to gc28262. Back in 90s when outsourcing started, major Indian IT companies used to have a 50-50 onsite/offshoe component (for large clients/projects). This has now come down to 10-90 onsite/offshore because clients are getting the same level of service.
For example, it was once believed that DBAs must be located at client site. Now, we often see DBA support provided from India.
This causes too much load on the onsite person but who cares as long as there is a steady supply. The bill will simply change the model to 5-95 . Out of these 5 positions cut-down , 4 might be H1 but at least 1 is a citizen/LPR whose job will be eliminated. Along with that will go the number of services these 4 H1s were using in US and the amount they were contributing to US economy.
USCs who think this bill will create more jobs for Americans are living in a fools world.
I agree to gc28262. Back in 90s when outsourcing started, major Indian IT companies used to have a 50-50 onsite/offshoe component (for large clients/projects). This has now come down to 10-90 onsite/offshore because clients are getting the same level of service.
For example, it was once believed that DBAs must be located at client site. Now, we often see DBA support provided from India.
This causes too much load on the onsite person but who cares as long as there is a steady supply. The bill will simply change the model to 5-95 . Out of these 5 positions cut-down , 4 might be H1 but at least 1 is a citizen/LPR whose job will be eliminated. Along with that will go the number of services these 4 H1s were using in US and the amount they were contributing to US economy.
USCs who think this bill will create more jobs for Americans are living in a fools world.
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vjkypally
03-17 07:22 PM
Which part says that you are not eligible? Please elaborate.
gc28262
07-02 05:11 PM
My company got labor certification papers today after getting approved online on June-26-2007
PBEC,EB3, NON-RIR, PD MAY 2004
Labor certified online: June-26-2007
Received labor certification hardcopy: July-02-2007
PBEC,EB3, NON-RIR, PD MAY 2004
Labor certified online: June-26-2007
Received labor certification hardcopy: July-02-2007
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singhsa3
09-12 10:01 AM
Let us continue a debate on
a) Pros of this idea
b) Cons of this idea
c) Alternative we might have.
Also, please do not get emotionally attach to an idea let democratically select that is best for the community.
Please limit to those ideas that are executable and within the bounds of law.
The campaign will fail in my opinion. Because anytime you ask people to spend money, many will not. Such activity and motivation for the campaign will die out next week when visa bulletin fever is over. We will again get agitated next month same time. So unless we figure out a campaign idea that costs us no money, it is bound to fail. I am for a phone call campaign. Or if we really want to do something big, we should do a rally in DC with 10 thousand members.
That is right. I said before and I am saying again. I am against sending flowers or calculators because.
1. They cost money (Some people may not do that just because of that).
2. USCIS will like those toys for their kids (Please come out of the movie mood, movies impress a lot but they are a lot different from real life). Believe me they will treat these things as wonderful gifts and we will end up spending time and money for these.
3. It will not make any difference to USCIS.
4. USCIS can always redirect all those flowers to orphanage or other places, what they cannot do is redirect our posters trying to put them to shame.
I have been appealing a lot about this. Why do not we have a letter compain along with posters which should put them to shame. These should not only be sent to USCIS, but also to the press, congressmen, president of US and yes the director of USCIS. I have created several posters here.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_124c6jh9dg6&invite=mqk525
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_127xvp53jdx&invite=cn4gjw5
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_12895rfwtcw&invite=g7kcrzz
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_130cvdpx4cg&invite=7bb9vs
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
The letter campaign thread is
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21340
Does anybody here agree with me ? Singhsa, your thoughts ?
a) Pros of this idea
b) Cons of this idea
c) Alternative we might have.
Also, please do not get emotionally attach to an idea let democratically select that is best for the community.
Please limit to those ideas that are executable and within the bounds of law.
The campaign will fail in my opinion. Because anytime you ask people to spend money, many will not. Such activity and motivation for the campaign will die out next week when visa bulletin fever is over. We will again get agitated next month same time. So unless we figure out a campaign idea that costs us no money, it is bound to fail. I am for a phone call campaign. Or if we really want to do something big, we should do a rally in DC with 10 thousand members.
That is right. I said before and I am saying again. I am against sending flowers or calculators because.
1. They cost money (Some people may not do that just because of that).
2. USCIS will like those toys for their kids (Please come out of the movie mood, movies impress a lot but they are a lot different from real life). Believe me they will treat these things as wonderful gifts and we will end up spending time and money for these.
3. It will not make any difference to USCIS.
4. USCIS can always redirect all those flowers to orphanage or other places, what they cannot do is redirect our posters trying to put them to shame.
I have been appealing a lot about this. Why do not we have a letter compain along with posters which should put them to shame. These should not only be sent to USCIS, but also to the press, congressmen, president of US and yes the director of USCIS. I have created several posters here.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_124c6jh9dg6&invite=mqk525
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_127xvp53jdx&invite=cn4gjw5
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_12895rfwtcw&invite=g7kcrzz
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_130cvdpx4cg&invite=7bb9vs
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
The letter campaign thread is
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21340
Does anybody here agree with me ? Singhsa, your thoughts ?
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Hemants
09-10 06:51 PM
Placed a google order for $100 .
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Winner
05-05 08:35 AM
He's been an advocate on backlog issues, and his staff had helped look into my case last year. I used his web site to send him an email (for VA residents only), slightly modifying the phone script to thank him, since I finally got my green card in November. Will post response when I receive it.
Thanks for helping us our even after getting your GC.
Thanks for helping us our even after getting your GC.
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bharol
08-13 05:20 PM
EB2 requires Masters or 5 years of experience. For those waiting in the queue for more than 5 years should automatically qualify for EB2 because they have 5 years of experience. I dont care the fine wording that says the job needs Masters or 5 years of experience. We should push lawmakers for this option to reduce the huge backlog. What do others think of this option and start a campaign for it?
Experience gained on the same position for which labor was filed, is not counted.
Logic being that it would be seen as on job training and they could have
easily hired a US citizen with less or no experience and trained him as well.
So the experience should be before joining that position as temporary worker.
Person offcourse can chose to quit the company and join another company
and file in EB2.
Experience gained on the same position for which labor was filed, is not counted.
Logic being that it would be seen as on job training and they could have
easily hired a US citizen with less or no experience and trained him as well.
So the experience should be before joining that position as temporary worker.
Person offcourse can chose to quit the company and join another company
and file in EB2.
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kondur_007
12-10 04:20 PM
Does this mean that spill over is not "quarterly" as we've been discussing
Yes, that's is correct. and they clarified (once more) that "when spill over occurs, PD of oversubscribed countries will move together".
For example, if EB2 India and China has different PDs, spillover is not occuring.
Additionally, it looks like demand in Eb1 is high enough that spill over may not be big, and so even with spill over, EB2 PD will not cross 2005. (they are saying indirectly that dont hold the hopes for big jump in the last quarter this year....)
USCIS seems to be working very efficiently and has a good grasp on the number of applications now (at least it seems...). All that extra staff they hired for July 2007 fiasco is working now and there is not much new filing. System will stay efficient until the time comes for them to handle 12 million undocumented after the CIR.
Yes, that's is correct. and they clarified (once more) that "when spill over occurs, PD of oversubscribed countries will move together".
For example, if EB2 India and China has different PDs, spillover is not occuring.
Additionally, it looks like demand in Eb1 is high enough that spill over may not be big, and so even with spill over, EB2 PD will not cross 2005. (they are saying indirectly that dont hold the hopes for big jump in the last quarter this year....)
USCIS seems to be working very efficiently and has a good grasp on the number of applications now (at least it seems...). All that extra staff they hired for July 2007 fiasco is working now and there is not much new filing. System will stay efficient until the time comes for them to handle 12 million undocumented after the CIR.
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eb3_nepa
12-18 04:05 PM
If we start the fasting and rallying the American people will view it as nothing but "Countries of the East" sending their millions to other countries to show their strength in numbers.
Another thing. There was a suggestion of starting "free coaching classes" for kids as a volunteer service. Excellent Idea IFFF AND ONLY IFFF we are doing it With the actual intent of providing education to the under-privileged. Otherwise, once immigrants' voices are heard, and relief comes through, guess what will happen? These coaching classes will stop dead in their tracks. This will attract NEGATIVE publicity sending a message that the so called "Volunteer Effort" was nothing but a PUBLICITY STUNT.
Another thing. There was a suggestion of starting "free coaching classes" for kids as a volunteer service. Excellent Idea IFFF AND ONLY IFFF we are doing it With the actual intent of providing education to the under-privileged. Otherwise, once immigrants' voices are heard, and relief comes through, guess what will happen? These coaching classes will stop dead in their tracks. This will attract NEGATIVE publicity sending a message that the so called "Volunteer Effort" was nothing but a PUBLICITY STUNT.
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Raju
07-06 01:55 PM
Yeah but if the PDs are set as unavailable, what can they do about those cases anyway, as the priority date has to be current on the day of approval in the consulate.
Furthermore, unlike with 485s they can't consular process 18K cases on a Sunday! It is not a centralised process for them to do that.
I think they have to be current when they get an appointment or something like that. I am pretty sure that they accounted those 18k as CP numbers
Furthermore, unlike with 485s they can't consular process 18K cases on a Sunday! It is not a centralised process for them to do that.
I think they have to be current when they get an appointment or something like that. I am pretty sure that they accounted those 18k as CP numbers
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hcard
04-30 08:29 AM
TOP USCIS AND DOS OFFICIALS TO TESTIFY IN HOUSE HEARING ON WASTED VISA NUMBERS AND BACKLOGS
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/04/top-uscis-and-d.html
http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/04/top-uscis-and-d.html
http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435
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Green06
07-18 03:04 PM
Started a reccuring monthly payment of $50. I will try to convince all my friends from Twin Cities (Minneapolis- St Paul) area to do the same.
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meridiani.planum
12-13 11:41 PM
What are the chances for the PD moving to Mid 2007 by end of 2010 ? :(
are you referring to EB2-India? Without any legislative or administrative changes the chances of reaching 2007 next year are pretty much zero IMO.
If I were to play the prediction game, based on the stats that USCIS released and their own statements in this months VB, this is what I would guess [Q1 meaning Jan-Feb-March: calendar quarter, not USCIS quarter which runs from Sept]:
- Q1 2010 : EB2-I reaches Feb and or early March
>> Reasoning: its already at Jan-end and there are tons of cases in March. because PERM was about to start from April 2005, lots and lots of companies pushed and filed for labor in March. So Jan will be crossed and most likely Feb also. But March is a big hump to cross.
- Q2 2010 : EB2-I goes "unavailable". Probably in May, or in June
>> EB2-India should exhaust its annual quota for the quarter well within the cases from Jan/Feb/early-March. So now the VB would go unavailable.
- Q3 2010 : EB2-I goes to April/May/June-2005 in July, then Dec 2005 by Sept VB.
>> the big spillover of visa starts. Note that spillover has not yet happened. THere is speculation at this point, but traditionally whenever there is spillover (look at last 3 years VB) India and China have the same PD because thats how the visas can spill over equally to both of them. The state dept's own prediction is dates will reach December and thats likely. Note that in their prediction (in the VB) dates for India and China are identical as is expected when spillover takes place. This is the time when the big bump of cases at March should get levelled out.
- Q4 2010 : EB2-I goes to Oct 2005
>> 6 months past PERM the number of filings had picked up again, so based on the EB-I pending cases stats come October 2010 the date should roll back to October 2005. Spillover wont be in effect and India will be back to its annual 7% limit.
- Q1 2011 : EB2-I goes to Dec 2005
>> dates will creep along slowly/
- Q2 2011 : Dec-2005 or 'U'.
>> same story: India quickly exhausts its annual quota, and must now wait for spillover.
- Q3 2011 : EB2-I goes to March/June 2006
>> spillover happens, but unlike earlier there are lots and lots of cases from 2005-end to first half of 2006. So even with spillover the dates are unlikely to go past June 2006.
are you referring to EB2-India? Without any legislative or administrative changes the chances of reaching 2007 next year are pretty much zero IMO.
If I were to play the prediction game, based on the stats that USCIS released and their own statements in this months VB, this is what I would guess [Q1 meaning Jan-Feb-March: calendar quarter, not USCIS quarter which runs from Sept]:
- Q1 2010 : EB2-I reaches Feb and or early March
>> Reasoning: its already at Jan-end and there are tons of cases in March. because PERM was about to start from April 2005, lots and lots of companies pushed and filed for labor in March. So Jan will be crossed and most likely Feb also. But March is a big hump to cross.
- Q2 2010 : EB2-I goes "unavailable". Probably in May, or in June
>> EB2-India should exhaust its annual quota for the quarter well within the cases from Jan/Feb/early-March. So now the VB would go unavailable.
- Q3 2010 : EB2-I goes to April/May/June-2005 in July, then Dec 2005 by Sept VB.
>> the big spillover of visa starts. Note that spillover has not yet happened. THere is speculation at this point, but traditionally whenever there is spillover (look at last 3 years VB) India and China have the same PD because thats how the visas can spill over equally to both of them. The state dept's own prediction is dates will reach December and thats likely. Note that in their prediction (in the VB) dates for India and China are identical as is expected when spillover takes place. This is the time when the big bump of cases at March should get levelled out.
- Q4 2010 : EB2-I goes to Oct 2005
>> 6 months past PERM the number of filings had picked up again, so based on the EB-I pending cases stats come October 2010 the date should roll back to October 2005. Spillover wont be in effect and India will be back to its annual 7% limit.
- Q1 2011 : EB2-I goes to Dec 2005
>> dates will creep along slowly/
- Q2 2011 : Dec-2005 or 'U'.
>> same story: India quickly exhausts its annual quota, and must now wait for spillover.
- Q3 2011 : EB2-I goes to March/June 2006
>> spillover happens, but unlike earlier there are lots and lots of cases from 2005-end to first half of 2006. So even with spillover the dates are unlikely to go past June 2006.
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reddymjm
03-03 03:46 PM
Looks like MDix is making fun of EB3-I bcoz current law doesn't allow any spillover for EB3-I category. Damn you MDix.
Law never changed. Its how USCIS interprets it.
Law never changed. Its how USCIS interprets it.
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andy007
07-05 10:56 AM
Bill Clinton & Hillary Clinton is coming to TANA in Washington.. i am from bay area.. i know lot of people are going this.. please take a print out and talk personally, explain our problems.. Please Thanks
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kkt_tkk
09-07 01:18 PM
Hi,
I entered in to USA on 11/1999, still working on H1B
GC: PD is 2005, EB3
I can't port to EB2, as my education is combinational (Diploma + AMIE), not 4-year single degree.
Thanks,
KKT
Pappu excellent post full of true facts. Being smart in my opinion means being knowledgeable and aware of the current situation at any given point of time rather than being ignorant and indifferent. Most of the time doing some basic research can lead an individual to the right option that is legally consistent and correct, it�s really never too late to correct course. Yes there will be street smart people (Sub labor being one example) who will game the system but besides other things let�s accept that they know how things work. Life is about learning and then What Next? It�s really about continuous improvement and trying to move in the right direction. Not having the desired end result is fine but not doing anything or not trying is bad. Very nice and motivating stories from some of the veteran�s you give us the motivation to hang on. OP you seem to have started a nice discussion.
I entered in to USA on 11/1999, still working on H1B
GC: PD is 2005, EB3
I can't port to EB2, as my education is combinational (Diploma + AMIE), not 4-year single degree.
Thanks,
KKT
Pappu excellent post full of true facts. Being smart in my opinion means being knowledgeable and aware of the current situation at any given point of time rather than being ignorant and indifferent. Most of the time doing some basic research can lead an individual to the right option that is legally consistent and correct, it�s really never too late to correct course. Yes there will be street smart people (Sub labor being one example) who will game the system but besides other things let�s accept that they know how things work. Life is about learning and then What Next? It�s really about continuous improvement and trying to move in the right direction. Not having the desired end result is fine but not doing anything or not trying is bad. Very nice and motivating stories from some of the veteran�s you give us the motivation to hang on. OP you seem to have started a nice discussion.
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kamakya
09-15 05:36 PM
The thread started by an asshole like gctest should be deleted. This will divide our community
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milind70
07-11 11:15 AM
Just did some stats on , did only for texas service center
It appears that Notice Date is immaterial. As long as your PD is current.
So, you dont need to worry, if your notice date is Oct 2007 and TX processing date still shows July 17th. They are approving the cases as long as your PD is current in PD order which makes sense.
I see a case with Nov 12 2007 ND and PD of dec 2002 is approved.
Dont expect any LUD's either, Only suprise email matters....welcome to america, card production ordered.....:D
Yes that seems to be the case , I had a friend who could have applied in June 2007 but due to some documents issue applied in Aug 2007 under the July adjusted bulletin, his notice date was very recent but he suddenly got his GC(his PD was current). But he said no LUDs or anyhting of that sort just recieved the magical email one fine day. His case was at Texas Service Center. His PD was Oct 2002 EB2.
It appears that Notice Date is immaterial. As long as your PD is current.
So, you dont need to worry, if your notice date is Oct 2007 and TX processing date still shows July 17th. They are approving the cases as long as your PD is current in PD order which makes sense.
I see a case with Nov 12 2007 ND and PD of dec 2002 is approved.
Dont expect any LUD's either, Only suprise email matters....welcome to america, card production ordered.....:D
Yes that seems to be the case , I had a friend who could have applied in June 2007 but due to some documents issue applied in Aug 2007 under the July adjusted bulletin, his notice date was very recent but he suddenly got his GC(his PD was current). But he said no LUDs or anyhting of that sort just recieved the magical email one fine day. His case was at Texas Service Center. His PD was Oct 2002 EB2.
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Tshelar
06-24 12:55 PM
Hasn't this been discussed already?
It does not make a difference to America, if a few hundred thousand foreign workers get their GCs today or 10 years later. The people America would really be concerned about are outstanding researchers, but then these people fall in the EB1 category which is always current and so they have no cause for complaint. The other category that the US is concerned about is cheap and illegal labor, but that is not related to GCs. So in short, there is nothing about the Eb2/Eb3 GC backlog that America needs to worry about.
The delay causes anxiety & frustration only for us applicants. So the impact is only on us.
Every year H1B quota is getting filled withing few days to a week. Majority of H1B applicants eventually land up applying GC in EB2/EB3 category, so america has nothing to lose as it keeps getting the workforce it needs every year.
Now, in an unlikley scenario in 2009 the H1B quota doesn't get filled then we can say that america is losing.
It does not make a difference to America, if a few hundred thousand foreign workers get their GCs today or 10 years later. The people America would really be concerned about are outstanding researchers, but then these people fall in the EB1 category which is always current and so they have no cause for complaint. The other category that the US is concerned about is cheap and illegal labor, but that is not related to GCs. So in short, there is nothing about the Eb2/Eb3 GC backlog that America needs to worry about.
The delay causes anxiety & frustration only for us applicants. So the impact is only on us.
Every year H1B quota is getting filled withing few days to a week. Majority of H1B applicants eventually land up applying GC in EB2/EB3 category, so america has nothing to lose as it keeps getting the workforce it needs every year.
Now, in an unlikley scenario in 2009 the H1B quota doesn't get filled then we can say that america is losing.
vik352
09-11 04:17 PM
This sounds like a great idea. It conveys our message and is funny which is why it will be picked up by media, that is exactly what we need. I am in.
amsgc
06-26 12:55 AM
In this debate, it is important to consider what "America" really means:
It is not just tech. companies or the USCIS - it is every big, small and mid-size enterprise, school, hospital, university, firestation, state/federal govt etc. It is the local community in which we live, the neighbors we interact with, the folks at the check out counters, our children's daycare, and ofcourse it is our fellow American co-workers, supervisors and friends.
In the final cost & benefit analysis, I am just curious to understand how America stands to gain by preventing the free movement of high skilled labor and intellect across the country. How does it benefit by preventing individuals from getting a higher education or a promotion. It is already too late for most of us to give up at this stage of the process, so most of us will wait it out, and eventually get the green card. If it is going to be 5 yrs. from now, then why not now?
Perhaps the questions should be:
"What is America gaining by keeping high skilled individuals in this state of perpetual limbo"?
And
"What is the cost to America of giving out a Green Card to a high skilled immigrant whose petition to immigrate has been approved by the US govt.?"
It is not just tech. companies or the USCIS - it is every big, small and mid-size enterprise, school, hospital, university, firestation, state/federal govt etc. It is the local community in which we live, the neighbors we interact with, the folks at the check out counters, our children's daycare, and ofcourse it is our fellow American co-workers, supervisors and friends.
In the final cost & benefit analysis, I am just curious to understand how America stands to gain by preventing the free movement of high skilled labor and intellect across the country. How does it benefit by preventing individuals from getting a higher education or a promotion. It is already too late for most of us to give up at this stage of the process, so most of us will wait it out, and eventually get the green card. If it is going to be 5 yrs. from now, then why not now?
Perhaps the questions should be:
"What is America gaining by keeping high skilled individuals in this state of perpetual limbo"?
And
"What is the cost to America of giving out a Green Card to a high skilled immigrant whose petition to immigrate has been approved by the US govt.?"
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